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@ Reflexiones Profundas:

Las fotografías del libro en alemán no puedo o no se editarlas, le paso una traducción al ingles de parte del libro en el que viene el estudio realizado.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION IN THE SPUKFALLES ROSENHEIM 1967 F. Karger, Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics, Garching G. ZICHA, research reactor of THM, Garching
If the solution to a problem in the engineering difficulties, the kind of fundamental appear, it is often the physics of processing. That such a solution and explanation once the physicist may be forced, in part to stretch their arms, following our report shows.
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1st In our experimental arrangement arrival in Rosenheim, the technical studies of the electricity plant (see audit report by Paul Brunner, Stadtwerke Rosenheim) in the office of Mr. Adam lawyer for more than 3 weeks gone. The investigations senior officials of the municipal or criminal Rosenheim informed us about the progress of investigations and illustrated with us the security established frequent phenomena, for which no explanation had been found, for example, phone disturbances, severe rashes at a constant set voltages – Electricity and recorders (see Figure 1 and 2), bang noises in the air, off of backup machines without apparent reason, the burst of light bulbs and lamp shades and hanging lamps Ausschwingen of up to the ceiling, where the individual phenomena often were not correlated with each other. The factory had electricity since 15 November 1967 various measures to increase awareness of network disruptions taken, which eventually to install their own lights and cables at the firm and to supply with an emergency generator lead, but the phenomena stopped. . Since the opinion still prevailed, the phenomena could possibly cause disturbances but in the network have directed our experiment our focus on the writers rashes, which also offered the best objective. Our Meßanordnung is based on the circuit diagram shown in Figure 3. It consisted essentially of one TEKTRONIX Speicheroszillographen of type 549 with a 4-channel slot type 1A4. With the help of this combination, it was possible for us four signals simultaneously record, store and then to photograph.
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On Channel 1, we have a tip (100:1) – parallel to the measurement of electricity from the plant situated SIEMENS-line writer (Unireg 1) – the voltage of 220
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V (sensitivity 200 V / cm). The writer was with the magnifying glass slide-voltage (187-253V), and also registered the mains. The distraction of our time, we had Oscillographs at 0.1 sec / cm set, it was from the mains into DC coupling triggered, ie even a small network surge (in our case was smaller than the threshold 5 V) replaced the distraction of Oscillographs time and this drew the curve shape of the voltage signal from triggering until 1 second darnach on the screen. The electricity plant rashes observed the tension writer were at 20 Vrms (see Figure 1); such a voltage increase is therefore compatible with the safety of our Oscillographs registered. The triggering by interfering was necessary because we Schreiber reported rashes in stochastic sequence without any period came (Fig. 1). As the auditors of the electricity plant any voltage increases after detailed investigations could not explain, we have simultaneously on Channel 2 about a potential probe the electric potential in the immediate vicinity of the writer with a sensitivity of 100mV/cm (10MOhm input resistance, frequency 10MHz) recorded. This is a registry of potential changes, discharge pulses, RF radiation, etc. possible, perhaps for Schreiber could rashes responsible. The magnetic field near the writer, the sharp increase also in the rash of Drehspulmeßinstrumentes in would Recorders can influence, was using an open HEWLETT-PACKARD DC amplifier connected with sample registered. The sensitivity on Oszillographenschirm amounted to 0.1 Gauss / cm (5 kHz cutoff frequency). After we reported that the writers often swings from a bang noise in the office space has been accompanied, we connected on Channel 4 (20mV/cm) a crystal microphone and fortified against this well-damped body on a sound about 2m high cupboard in the office. The triggering, i.e. triggering the distraction of time Oscillographs could alternatively by a signal from each of the 4 channels are concerned. 2nd Results of investigations This arrangement stood on 8 December l967 in the office premises under shown in Figure 4 sketch, as the writer 16:30 to 17:48 in the presence of about 15 registered strong rashes (Fig. 5). The exact number of rashes is not to reconstruct, as the clerk at a feed of 1mm/min several rashes wrote about each other. Approximately simultaneously with the swings we heard often, but not with any rash, a short, hard bang noise, the discharge of a spark line was very similar. There were also bang noises, which are not covered by a rash were accompanied on the recorder. Often were not the bang noises to locate certain objects, but seemed alternately from different places, in the midst of the firm space to come, the bang noises were recorded on tape.
Already in the first swings showed that while the power is in reality not had the time of distraction Oscillographs was not triggered. We had shortly before
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Occurrence of abnormal rashes trigger readiness with the help of low-voltage increase when the refrigerator in the apartment lawyer while also reviewed and monitored the experiment, so we certainly were able to determine that the abnormal rashes no power supply had increased as a cause. Even very short voltage pulses to the grid frequency would be superimposed and their amplitudes for the generation of writers would have been rash enough, would in any case the time of distraction Oscillographs triggered.
After the rash is not anomalous in its declaration of the electricity grid disturbances took place, was suspected of fraudulent manipulation loud. Weird appeared to us especially the fact that only rarely a writer rash was seen in prison, mostly only the curve already written a few seconds later (in cases in which rashes were seen in prison, they ran with a pulse duration of about 1 second ab). We were, however, with most swings in the immediate vicinity (1 / 2 meters) of the writer, while the other people several meters away from the scorer staying. The one we respected the fact that no trick by psychological distraction of the observers was possible, on the other hand, was due to a mechanical lock prevents the writer by thin threads etc. from the outside could be influenced. Because the writers were also equipped with a sight glass is covered, was among abnormal swings in which we were present, with security (eg getrickste) mechanical manipulation excluded.
Another option we moved in, was the supply of RF voltage in the recorder, to part with any nonlinear curve would demodulate and thus could cause rashes. We had our Oscillographs therefore also with the tension of the potential probe triggered and despite Schreiberausschlägen not trigger receive. After studies at the voltage through a magnifying glass Schreiber 100W transmitter (10MHz), whose voltage we at various points of the writer (also to the input jacks) and a anlegten by a factor of 103 higher than our signal threshold to trigger the potential probe produced, was not the least Rash on the recorder, if the RF transmitter was switched on. So we can be sure that HF-voltage and discharge pulses (with a broad spectrum, some of capacitor discharge) for the anomalous rashes are not responsible.
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To the hypothesis of a (in its dimensions in itself very unlikely) magnetic field as the reason for the mysterious rashes exclude triggers our Oscillographs also with the magnetic signal of the probe and received as expected, despite Schreiberausschlägen no trigger, which means therefore that even an outer static magnetic field as a declaration retires as a mechanical interpretation would still ultra-or infrasonic and hence strong shocks into account. It could, however, in the vicinity of the writer does not sound donors noted that even the minimum necessary for the performance up and the writers through the air or by means of mechanical noise could influence. After investigations into, it was found that the system pointer of the writer very good (slightly more than divergence) are subdued and even greater shock is not responding. The writer was from us after the experiment built on any mechanical or electrical external mechanisms (such as built-recipient) investigated without having something like this has been found. Also could not shake any contact in the electronics are found. The hypothesis of loose contact is also complicated by the fact extremely unlikely that the electricity plant to a second recorder, in addition to the first set was also abnormal rashes had received. The writer worked in entirely follow-up examinations properly. The constancy of the measuring device proved to be very good, even larger than tensions have no influence on the display of measuring. When the voltage falls off the pointer from monotonous. After investigations, based on static electricity in the view window or other parts of the writer related, were also negative. Based on the results that we had received our order, so we were forced to the clerk rashes eligible Declaration opportunities to drop in the following again summarized are:
1st Voltage change (despite Schreiber rash does not increase the voltage)
2nd RF voltage to part with nonlinear curve demodulate; capacitor discharge (no signal at the potential probe, after investigation 100W transmitter)
3rd Static electricity (after investigation)
4th Outer static magnetic field (no magnetic field signal to the probe)
5th Infra-or ultrasound, strong shocks (After investigations)
6th Loose contact in the electronics, foreign mechanism in Schreiber (Under Investigation)
7th Manual operation (fraud excluded)
We had to be noted that at the scorer rashes occurred, although we systematically us all possible physical causes are eliminated or controlled and the proper function of the equipment used were thoroughly reviewed.
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On our suggestion, the electricity plant for a later time instead of the mains voltage of a 1.5 V-Monozelle at the entrance to the corresponding Einschubs in inputting data recorder. Even in this case were severe rashes on (Fig. 6), a further hardening of evidence that the abnormal Schreiber rashes no voltage changes as a cause. Figure 6: Anomalous rashes on voltage Schreiber connected with 1.5 V-Monozelle (11.12.67) [No. 74 stripes and 75] The paradoxical structure of the test results also by the following facts are expressed in a single case was the distraction of our time Oscillographs and it triggered
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was an image (Fig. 7). You can see in Figure 7 below with the voltage of about 600V peak to peak, as you would expect, then it from bottom to top: the potential of the electric probe, the magnetic field strength and finally, the sound amplitude. The 50Hz-voltage, the potential of the probe and the microphone voltage superimposed, has no meaning, it stems from the fact that the voltage was grounded not unilaterally, because they at that time the emergency generator (see audit report Brunner) was removed . The real signal is after Ausmittelung of 50Hz-voltage easily detectable. The constant voltage is obvious, just is not a signal to the electric and magnetic probe to determine the sound amplitude, however, shows the Ausschwingen a strong signal on the screen of Oscillographs beyond. Currently the host of this image was the trigger of Oscillographs at the mains (Channel 1), since these remained constant, however, it is with great probability amplitude of the sound was triggered. When you can plug 1A4 triggering an intermediate between the channels occur when the signal accordingly large. In our case it should be an amplitude of 10V had. According to the microphone used crystal revealed that an amplitude of 10V by exposure to normal bang noises not be reached. Only through direct mechanical influence (about hitting the microphone on a hard surface), it was possible to the microphone at a signal with an amplitude of 10V to obtain, in this case is also the shape of the signal shown in Figure 7 are very similar. The paradox is that in the recording of this Oszillographenbildes not even a bang noise was heard (!).
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3rd Talk of examination results as we look at the example of the last’ve seen here is pressing on the presumption that the signal on the microphone «mechanically» at the microphone membrane was produced, but in this case a mechanical interference in the normal way with security was excluded (the microphone was placed inaccessible, was under control and was following the recording of the image accurately investigated).
Similar conclusions can be drawn in the investigation of abnormal rashes, the clerk of the electricity plant had recorded. In Figure 8 you can see clearly that the rash of power as Scribe-connected device strange S-shaped are discarded, a form which is not electrically generated rash may occur. After investigations into, we found that the warp of curves only by shifting the paper can be produced if not the (rigid) pointer to be violated. Sometimes even came rashes
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, the discarded and something in the paper were eingeritzt (Fig. 9). In one case (as voltage circuit clerk) was the writing paper strongly eingerissen (Fig. 10). Can be manually without damaging the pen very difficult to execute. The eddy current attenuation of the measuring device works almost aperiodic borderline case, but the abnormal rashes due to strong «over swinging» or rashes in positive and negative direction marked. A viewer, the history of measuring not know, would come to the conclusion that the rash driving more by the writer with the pen hand than by electrical exposure were achieved. In this sense we want the term «mechanically» in quotation marks.
In the Stromausschlägen fell to us that they are almost always full scale ( «50A») take (Fig. 9), or in some cases for approximately 95% of the scale, with 2 corners to reverse (Fig. 2 and 8); while the «tension» rashes in most cases the same amplitude up to about 86% of the scale rates (see Figure 1, 5, 11, 12 and 13). This suggests that still is a correlation between abnormal swings and the fact that the writer as either current or voltage as a clerk is running, must exist. As a time of electricity power plant and a voltage recorder simultaneously established and connected
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were both simultaneously came rashes on both recorders as well as rashes on individual voltage and current clerk at the same experimental conditions. In the image of the «mechanical» action also triggered the other strange phenomena, as reflected in the audit report of the municipal identified. Thus, light bulbs burst, although the filament was still intact and not burned had dissolved from backup machines, although no increase in power took place, the wings of lamps was shortly after our arrival a few times we even detected. A manual production of the travel in the cases we observed was not impossible, but very unlikely.
Looking at the totality of, 16 November 1967 to 18 January 1968 described measuring, so you come to the following conclusion: The anomalous Schreiber rashes found exclusively in the service of the firm has taken place on Saturday and Sunday, at night and in the
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Lunch registered the clerk no rashes, but these times were no paranormal phenomena observed. As other possible causes, which correlated with these times could be eliminated by our investigations were still practically only for the physics entirely surprising correlation between the occurrence of the phenomena and the presence of personnel in the immediate vicinity of the law firm. The presumption Prof. benders that the paranormal phenomena in any relationship to a specific employee, Miss S., are confirmed in the control of measuring and protocols: Miss. S. War on leave, there were no rashes, while paranormal Phenomena also happened as Miss P. once on a Saturday at the firm was present. Since Miss P., 15 January had changed their position, were also no longer observed phenomena. The parapsychology, such correlations and flow patterns in «Psychokinese» phenomena known. The physics but is under the compulsion of this clear correlation, and the other unexplained phenomena in front of a totally new situation. For so far has been in the natural sciences generally assumed that the known physical laws also for the descriptions of the people will be sufficient so that for phenomena that are associated with people showing basically no new interaction mechanisms must be postulated. Currently the physics knows four types of interactions: the strong interaction which is responsible for nuclear forces and the electromagnetic interaction, on the many manifestations of daily life are based; the weak interaction, through which the neutrino interacts exclusively and finally the gravitational interaction, the severity is known. Of these, we had the electromagnetic interaction as the cause for the observed paranormal phenomena with safety be excluded. Regarding the other three may be the physicist currently not imagine that these phenomena might be responsible. It seems as if in Rosenheim and also in other places observed phenomena Psychokinese the subsequent introduction of a fifth Wechselwirkungsart would make it necessary, with forcing their reasons, as they made about the CP violation in the K20-decay results. Because the symptoms only in connection with a certain man show occurs so that the physics of the unforeseen case that the physics in the investigation of the people physically can discover new principle. So it shows that something superficial look at how a string Lausbuben seems, after a thorough examination to basic problems of physics can pose. At the moment, the physicists have observed the strange forces still not much to say. While they are with the existing resources of experimental physics has been found, however, can with the existing resources of theoretical physics not explain it. In theory education is therefore a phenomenological approach initially inevitable. It can not yet determine whether these forces in the form of a macroscopic field or microbiological attack physically effective. Although they apparently not only to the movement of writers feathers, but also, according to several observers to rotate images and back of a cabinet severe enough, it is not yet possible, something about the energy source to say whether or energy conservation in these cases remained guaranteed ; If an interaction mechanism is not found, but at least the Entropiesatz been injured. The physicist can from the special phenomena in Rosenheim merely following the preliminary draw Résumé:
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1st A description of the phenomena with existing principles of physics does not appear possible.
2nd The phenomena show themselves as non-expression, short-acting forces.
3rd The phenomena (including telephone interference) do not seem to be using electro-dynamic effects, but «mechanically» to be caused.
4th There are not only simple, explosive running events, but also complicated guided movements (Schreiber curves, motion pictures).
5th The execution of these movements seem intelligently controlled by forces herzurühren (eg telephone interference), which seem to have a tendency to shirk the investigation.
Since the phenomena associated with human occur appear correlation between measurements physiological parameters of the test person and the Psychokinesephänomenen promising to find a solution to the problem closer to come. Quite can be achieved only through they are likely to rethink and task of outdated ideas. Because the story so far has shown that attempts to science, nature in a particular system known to squeeze always failed. Only after the physicist is radically different from some performances of classical physics and resolved in its description of the nature adapted, was it possible, to a certain understanding of the phenomena of physics at Micro reach. The road to a «certain understanding» of paranormal phenomena is certainly far. But we can be sure that a clarification of the phenomena in turn, also impact on our knowledge of the nature of the people themselves will have.
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SUMMARY
Unexplained transactions in the Rosenheimer law firm were initially as a result of abnormal power surges in the electrical grid views. This hypothesis seemed by the rash of voltage and current writers confirmed, but it succeeded in revising the officials of the municipal Rosenheim not the cause of the power to determine. The authors took a controlling investigation. They studied under the aid of a Speicheroszillographen all for the rash to take into account physical factors, including the fraudulent manipulation, and came to the following conclusion:
1st Although the phenomena with the existing resources of experimental physics have been identified, they could with the existing principles of theoretical physics is not explained;
2nd the phenomena appeared to be a non-expression, short-acting forces;
3rd they seem not using electro dynamic effects, but «mechanically» to have been caused;
4th it was also guided complicated movements;
5th these movements seem to intelligently controlled herzurühren forces, which have the tendency to join the investigation to escape.
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SUMMARY
Investigation of the Physical Rosenheim Psychokinetic Phenomena.
Inexplicable phenomena in the office of a lawyer Rosenheim were first attributed to faults in the power supply. This hypothesis seemed to be confirmed by recorders which registered strong deflection. The officials of the power station, however, did not succeed in determining the cause. The authors made a control investigation. By means of a storage Oscilloscope they systematically examined all possible physical causes, including fraudulent manipulation. The following conclusions were reached:
1st Although recorded with the facilities available to experimental physics, the events Defied explanation with the known means available to theoretical physics;
2nd The phenomena seemed to be the result of non-periodic, short-time forces;
3rd They did not seem to involve electro dynamic effects but were «mechanically» induced;
4th not only explosive events were involved, but also complicated motions;
5th These movements seemed to be performed by Intelligently controlled forces with a tendency to evade investigation.

Platos decorativos, como los que salen en los vídeos que le enlacé, pero si usted leyó que aparte de los platos cayó un almanaque, ponga las fuentes ya que es la primara vez que lo leo.

Reflexiones Profundas
30/07/12 01:10

http://www.hauntedhovel.com/Rosenheimpoltergeist.html

Hans was able to document on video how the lights immediately began to flicker as soon as she entered the offices. In December of ’67 and January ’68 the phenomena expanded. Calender pages flew off the wall, paintings were thrown across the room and perhaps most shocking of all, a 400lb cabinet was seen sliding several feet across the floor, with no damage made to the linoleum flooring.

Aquí dice, que lo que cayó de la pared fueron las páginas de un calendario.

que los cuadros fueron lanzados a través de la habitación

y que el archivador de 400 lb se movió varios pies deslizandose sobre el suelo sin dejar marcas en su recorrido.

No nombra que los cuadros giraran en la pared.

¿una ayudita con los hechos?

¿fueron los cuadros o los platos decorativos los que salieron despedidos hacia el otro lado de la habitación?

Por lo que he leído los platos, ¿tiene las fuentes donde diga que fueron los cuadros los que salían volando? es que estoy como antes, es la primera vez que lo leo, y no digo que usted mienta, es que me choca no haberlo leído con todo lo que me he tragado.

http://www.ghosttheory.com/2008/12/24/rosenheim-poltergeist-looking-back-at-the-most-documented-haunting

December of 1967 and to January of 1968 the phenomenon expanded. Calendar pages flew off. Paintings would turn on their hooks, drawers slid from their desks. The most shocking thing was when they saw a heavy oak cabinet (around 400 lbs) slide a few feet without damaging the linoleum flooring.

¡Anda!, aquí sí dicen que los cuadros giraban…
olvídese de la ayudita.

http://paigehchen.hubpages.com/hub/Annemarie-Schneider-and-the-Rosenheim-Poltergeist

Pictures swung merrily, dropping to the floor with a force that dismantled their frames, but left their glass intact. Pages flew off the calendar, and light bulbs exploded. Drawers slid out of desks, and Frau Bielmeier had to wedge one shut with a stool weighted by a typewriter. Annemarie grew more tense every day, screaming and sobbing when phenomena occurred close to her. Fortunately, the Christmas holidays arrived

Carajo…

Aquí dice que un cuadro con una fotografía, salió disparado hacia el «floor» con tanta fuerza que desarmó el marco, pero que dejó el cristal intacto… joer, esto promete…

¿Los cajones se abrieron sólos y los documentos se movían, o se desencajaron?

Los cajones se abrieron solos según mis fuentes ¿tiene donde diga que se desencajaron?.

http://enigmasymitos.blogspot.com.es/2010/02/los-extranos-casos-de-hans-bender.html

“Finalmente, los fenómenos se intensificaron hasta tal punto que los cuadros giraban sobre las paredes, las lámparas oscilaban a veces hasta chocar contra el techo, se derramó el líquido de una fotocopiadora, las cerámicas caían de la pared, se desencajaban cajones y un archivador de 200 kilos de peso se desplazó 30 centímetros sobre el suelo.”

Puedo decirle cosas que no sean ciertas, pero no suelo mentir cuando estoy discutiendo o debatiendo, no me parece honorable ni honrado.

¿Me podría indicar de donde se ha sacado esa tabla para medir el comportamiento de los trolles?

Sí.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/humor/10052546/Escala-del-Troll.html

se lo digo mas que nada porque es usted mismo el que asume el termino troll para definir sus actitudes en los divulgadores, por no hablar de que su “valoración trollera” sera muy diferente si preguntamos a otras personas….a mi por ejemplo.

Escala Troll
LA ESCALA DE MEDICIÓN TROLL!!

así hasta diez, que es la escala que puse, y recuerde que dije que yo estaba en 0,05…

ahora bien, si usted utiliza otra escala me gustaría que me la mostrase.

PD. joer, como todas las búsquedas en google las haga igual, empezaré a comprender muchas cosas.

que hay de cierto en esto?

No es que el sistema digestivo se encarga de descomponer todas las cosas hasta sus mas basicos elementos?..que nos llega a la sangre si tomamos coca-cola? algun medico en la sala para explicar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5-GnxWLOI&feature=player_embedded#!

De todas formas, si le gustan las barbacoas, debe usted tener cuidado porque esa forma de cocción genera facilmente los mismos tóxicos que aparecen en el caramelo…

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-metilimidazol_(4-MEI)

El 4-MEI es una sustancia que se puede producir durante la cocción de los alimentos. Además de estar presente en los alimentos, el 4-MEI también se produce de forma sintética y se usa en la fabricación de productos farmacéuticos, hule y otros químicos. El 4-MEI se genera naturalmente al cocinar, tostar, asar en el horno y asar a la parrilla alimentos de todo tipo. Se encuentra en centenares de alimentos cocinados en el hogar y en otros que se adquieren en las tiendas y que la gente ha consumido por generaciones. No es un aditivo[1]

Es en la elaboración del caramelo, donde aparece este elemento, que también está con nosotros en muchos de los alimentos que ingerimos…

Lo de la coca cola, ¿que quiere que le diga?

Ni me parece bien, ni me parece mal,

ahora bien, que una directiva de esa empresa sea la que va a decidir si en mi país se puede utilizar el caramelo IV o no, si que me parece mal, muy mal porque eso significa que sólo somos una colonia del imperio, no parte de ellos como se puede notar por ésta y otras muchas cosas…

Que carajo habré tocado o hecho, para que aparezca la página que está en la cache del ordenador, en lugar de descargarse la de internet…

maldito «güindous» de los cojon..s

ahora tengo que estar dándole al F5 a cada rato…

mecafutosis dijo:

Entonces cuando digo “expandir la conciencia” lo que quiero decir es “dotar de mayores recursos a las formas de darse cuenta” o dicho de otro modo “ampliar el campo vital”.
Cada una de estas formas se puede ejercitar, se puede desarrollar, y entonces nuestro nivel de “darse cuenta” sera mayor.

Y es igual con los sentimientos y con el comportamiento. Y si controlamos y ejercitamos todas las formas de darse cuenta de las que disponemos, nuestra conciencia se expande, nuestra vida se expande, y se transforma en una experiencia mas intensa y enriquecedora.

Por supuesto, tal expansion tiene una funcion universal, pero ya me extendi demasiado.

saludos

La expansión de la conciencia es la expansión del pensamiento: con él se obra técnicamente, y también con él se causan los estragos que provienen de los sistemas políticos y los dogmas seudoreligiosos; más bien tiene que haber una ‘contracción de la conciencia’ eliminando inteligentemente toda falsedad instaurada en la cultura indicativa. El ‘darse cuenta’ (v. Hui-Neng) proviene de la inteligencia propiamente dicha; que no perniciosas costumbres admiradas por la estupidez de excluyentes trepadores.

Amildao dijo:

La expansión de la conciencia es la expansión del pensamiento

Puede que si o puede que no. No necesariamiente quiero decir, alguien puede expander su percepcion y no su pensamiento. Anque la primer expansion traiga aparejado un cambio en la forma de pensar.

Amildao dijo:

y también con él se causan los estragos que provienen de los sistemas políticos y los dogmas seudoreligiosos

Se causan estragos con un pensamiento guiado por fines poco nobles o bien con un pensamiento estupido, no con un buen pensamiento.

Amildao dijo:

más bien tiene que haber una ‘contracción de la conciencia’ eliminando inteligentemente toda falsedad instaurada en la cultura indicativa

Estoy de acuerdo. Pero eso no es una «contraccion de la conciencia» es mas bien una «contraccion de la mente» y las contracciones de la mente siempre generan expansiones en la conciencia.

Amildao dijo:

El ‘darse cuenta’ (v. Hui-Neng) proviene de la inteligencia propiamente dicha

No, para nada. Hay seres que no tiene inteligencia e igual «se dan cuenta» de que viven, de como protegerse, de que hacer… la inteligencia es un «darse cuenta» exclusivo de la humanidad en este planeta, y no es el unico «darse cuenta» que tenemos. Lo dicho, el primero es la percepcion.

Amildao dijo:

que no perniciosas costumbres admiradas por la estupidez de excluyentes trepadores.

Acá me perdi, la verdad que no te interpreto.

Voy a por roscas (palomitas de maiz)

la cosa promete,

Mecafutosis y Busgosu hablando de la expansión de la mente y las percepciones…

@ Reflexiones Profundas:

y ya que es viernes porque no se toma una birra…

@ Reflexiones Profundas:

Yo soy el culpable. Mecafutosis me está contestando a la pregunta «qué quieres decir con expansión de la conciencia?» que le hice en el post de Londres. A mí me parecían palabras vacías y él quiere demostrarme que no. Voy a desgranar su mensaje, que le prometí que intentaría entenderle.

Tengo miedo.